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where is an example where is an example

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of a where anyone inside the government

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has come out and said anything even like

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this I mean the kid went to jail for

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having a picture of a submarine in his

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background I mean this is not a day and

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age where people inside the government

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with deep state secrets like this are

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allowed to speak freely so that he that

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he was not breaking boundaries are

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saying all this crazy stuff that no one

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wanted to say this is a controlled

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release no I don't agree with that I

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mean none of our work ever led me to get

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to that conclusion or any of us and we

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talked to a lot of people a lot of

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people including hours and hours and

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hours with Elizondo the point is none of

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the information that he brought forward

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was classified information so he's not

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like a Snowden or a WikiLeaks who's

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really breaking the law and he's not

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really a whistleblower in that sense

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because there's nothing really against

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the law or nothing

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that he shouldn't and there's nothing

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telling him not to say this is it just

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because it's the times then is that why

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it's such a big deal because I mean if

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there's nothing classified then what's

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the big deal because it was a big deal

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to know as a fact that there has been a

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program within the Department of Defense

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since 2007 that nobody knew about and

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that has been taking seriously UFOs and

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was funded you know with 22 million

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dollars for a number of years and

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continue to investigate UFOs after that

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and yet even though they did their work

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they couldn't be very efficient about it

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and that's what was frustrating for him

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he was one person who came out on his

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own much to the consternation of the

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Department of Defense now if you leave

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Alex you're gonna have to show me

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evidence of that I think the evidence of

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that is is its self evident you know you

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say you go to the New York Times I have

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seen no evidence and neither have my

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colleagues that there was some kind of I

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don't even know what you're exactly

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saying that he was well I think he I

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think in the least I think in the lease

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he's saying that there needs to be some

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sort of approval for somebody to talk

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about this kind of stuff I mean even

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with the to the stars

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to the stars Academy like there's ex-cia

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and X stunk works people in there that

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obviously have to have some I would

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think they'd have to have some some

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approval to talk about this stuff and to

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bring this forward I mean is about

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classified information that's the

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distinction right there is that that

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distinction is meaningless at this point

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this is the biggest story probably in in

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the in our in the history of our lives

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certainly a lot of people are saying in

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the history of the world and to suggest

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that this somehow and some phony-baloney

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classified not classified top secret

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classification this isn't classified and

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that's supposed to be the the mark I I

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don't see it you know I just interviewed

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Colonel John Alexander who you know and

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I just interviewed him recently right

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because John Alexander we all know is

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always been the guy who stood up at

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these UFO conferences and said I was at

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the so what do you think he said when I

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said okay well now he goes well I guess

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I was wrong but they're still really

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isn't a program this it's the same crap

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so I think you know part of the reaction

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that came from this story was number one

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it's it's kind of preposterous to

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suggest that this somehow isn't

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classified I would I would then ask who

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is deciding what's classified classified

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but the second just before you go on I'm

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not suggesting that this is classified

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or not I'm telling you the facts that

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nothing that Elizondo has conveyed is

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classified the name of the program is

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not classified the information he has

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brought forward is not classified the

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videos aren't classified he's very very

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careful about that he will never reveal

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anything that's classified that's more

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evidence of a controlled release than

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anything else because I'm from from our

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level from the people on the outside

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looking in why would this not be

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classified under what criteria would

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this somehow not deserve classification

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given all the other crazy stuff that is

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classified well I don't wanna respond to

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that a lot of that a lot of

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Grahame data is classified the only

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stuff that he has provided is the parts

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that aren't and that's why the videos

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you only see short excerpts of those

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videos you know people wonder what

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happened before and after right why is

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it just this three seconds or whatever

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it is eight second clip it's because the

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parts before and after that contains

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sensitive information that is classified

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they had a very carefully excerpt part

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of it that doesn't reveal anything such

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as sources and methods or equipment or

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whatever kind of data that they're not

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allowed to reveal and you know this is

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this is the way it happened please check

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out the skeptical website you can see it

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here we cover a lot of different stuff

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